Discussion:
Problem with new varifocals
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Angus Rodgers
2009-06-23 08:42:30 UTC
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I have been short-sighted for most of my life, and have worn
bifocals for many years, but in recent years (I'm 57) even my
close-up vision has deteriorated, to the point where my right
eye (which has always been the worse) cannot seem to focus on
anything either further (or nearer!) than about 8 inches away
(although with my left eye, I can still read easily at twice
that distance).

I got new varifocal glasses a week ago, and they correct well
for vision at all distances, but extended periods of close-up
work are still very difficult. When reading a book, I have to
hold it close to my chest, hold my head back, and peer through
the very small part of the lens with the strongest correction.

When working at the computer, I cannot use the keyboard and
mouse when sitting any further away than 30 inches, but even
when sitting as far away from the screen as that, I still have
to crane my neck (which is painful) and peer through the same
small part of the lens, with the strongest correction. Also,
neither a computer screen nor a book is ever wholly in clear
and steady focus. So, reading anything at all is a trial.

I'm trying to get my thoughts in order before going back to
the optician. They have a policy of offering you replacement
bifocals if you cannot get used to varifocals - but I don't
think the problem is really that I can't "get used to" the new
lenses. For most everyday tasks, they were fine right from the
start. The slight distortion of the field of view as objects
move from one part of the field to another has never caused me
anything more than faint disorientation (for objects close up,
it does make me a little nauseous), and the new lenses are a
definite improvement on my old ones.

Is the problem:

(1) that varifocals cannot correct vision as bad as mine well
enough to be used for long periods of close-up work; or

(2) that the area of strongest correction should have been
made larger?

For what it's worth, I think (2) is unlikely, because if the
region of strongest correction were enlarged, the lenses would
be almost like bifocals, and they probably wouldn't work as
well as they presently to for everything /except/ prolonged
close-up work.

So should I conclude that my eyes are just too bad now for me
to be able to make do with a single pair of spectacles, and I
should find out about getting a second pair to be used just
for reading? Of course, the final decision will be made in
consultation with the optician (and perhaps my GP and then
a hospital specialist, if things are really that bad), but
I wanted to try to make sure I'm thinking straight before I
try to talk to him about it, because I'm easily talked into
making bad choices.
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Angus Rodgers
Rex J Atkins AMIBE
2009-06-23 09:52:01 UTC
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Post by Angus Rodgers
I have been short-sighted for most of my life, and have worn
bifocals for many years, but in recent years (I'm 57) even my
close-up vision has deteriorated, to the point where my right
eye (which has always been the worse) cannot seem to focus on
anything either further (or nearer!) than about 8 inches away
(although with my left eye, I can still read easily at twice
that distance).
Tried them, useless!

Got bifocals..... Perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!

QED

Rex
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Frederick Williams
2009-06-24 08:35:33 UTC
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Post by Rex J Atkins AMIBE
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Emil Tiades
2009-06-25 19:44:09 UTC
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On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 10:52:01 +0100, Rex J Atkins AMIBE
Post by Rex J Atkins AMIBE
Post by Angus Rodgers
I have been short-sighted for most of my life, and have worn
bifocals for many years, but in recent years (I'm 57) even my
close-up vision has deteriorated, to the point where my right
eye (which has always been the worse) cannot seem to focus on
anything either further (or nearer!) than about 8 inches away
(although with my left eye, I can still read easily at twice
that distance).
Tried them, useless!
Got bifocals..... Perfect!!!!!!!!!!!!
Had varifocals for years.
Fantastic.
Brian Gaff
2009-06-23 16:48:04 UTC
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Well, I think probably the latter will be the case, but I'm a bit worried
about the fixed focus and lack of depth of field of your one eye, which
might point to something else going on in the eye. I'd think a proper
ophthalmologist at a hospital might like to check such things out.
You may find that lighting can aleviate some of the problems but if there is
something else going on its best to know.

Have you had the retina looked at recently for signs of macular problems?

Brian
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Post by Angus Rodgers
I have been short-sighted for most of my life, and have worn
bifocals for many years, but in recent years (I'm 57) even my
close-up vision has deteriorated, to the point where my right
eye (which has always been the worse) cannot seem to focus on
anything either further (or nearer!) than about 8 inches away
(although with my left eye, I can still read easily at twice
that distance).
I got new varifocal glasses a week ago, and they correct well
for vision at all distances, but extended periods of close-up
work are still very difficult. When reading a book, I have to
hold it close to my chest, hold my head back, and peer through
the very small part of the lens with the strongest correction.
When working at the computer, I cannot use the keyboard and
mouse when sitting any further away than 30 inches, but even
when sitting as far away from the screen as that, I still have
to crane my neck (which is painful) and peer through the same
small part of the lens, with the strongest correction. Also,
neither a computer screen nor a book is ever wholly in clear
and steady focus. So, reading anything at all is a trial.
I'm trying to get my thoughts in order before going back to
the optician. They have a policy of offering you replacement
bifocals if you cannot get used to varifocals - but I don't
think the problem is really that I can't "get used to" the new
lenses. For most everyday tasks, they were fine right from the
start. The slight distortion of the field of view as objects
move from one part of the field to another has never caused me
anything more than faint disorientation (for objects close up,
it does make me a little nauseous), and the new lenses are a
definite improvement on my old ones.
(1) that varifocals cannot correct vision as bad as mine well
enough to be used for long periods of close-up work; or
(2) that the area of strongest correction should have been
made larger?
For what it's worth, I think (2) is unlikely, because if the
region of strongest correction were enlarged, the lenses would
be almost like bifocals, and they probably wouldn't work as
well as they presently to for everything /except/ prolonged
close-up work.
So should I conclude that my eyes are just too bad now for me
to be able to make do with a single pair of spectacles, and I
should find out about getting a second pair to be used just
for reading? Of course, the final decision will be made in
consultation with the optician (and perhaps my GP and then
a hospital specialist, if things are really that bad), but
I wanted to try to make sure I'm thinking straight before I
try to talk to him about it, because I'm easily talked into
making bad choices.
--
Angus Rodgers
John Stumbles
2009-06-25 21:37:50 UTC
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Post by Angus Rodgers
I got new varifocal glasses a week ago, and they correct well
for vision at all distances, but extended periods of close-up
work are still very difficult. When reading a book, I have to
hold it close to my chest, hold my head back, and peer through
the very small part of the lens with the strongest correction.
When working at the computer, I cannot use the keyboard and
mouse when sitting any further away than 30 inches, but even
when sitting as far away from the screen as that, I still have
to crane my neck (which is painful) and peer through the same
small part of the lens, with the strongest correction. Also,
neither a computer screen nor a book is ever wholly in clear
and steady focus. So, reading anything at all is a trial.
You may like to check out (perhaps with the aid of google groups) a thread
on uk.d-i-y a few weeks back (started by yours truly when I'd just got my
first pair of varifocals and was having difficulty using them with the
computer). Of course you may not be able to read this discussion with your
varifocals ;-)

As I recall quite a few correspondents had got themselves separate pairs
of fixed-focal-length glasses specifically for computer use, whilst being
happy with their varifocals for other uses.

Personally, some weeks down the line, I'm fairly happy with mine. They're
not perfect but better than the off-the-shelf reading glasses I'd had
before.
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John Stumbles

Pessimists are never disappointed
Angus Rodgers
2009-06-27 16:50:48 UTC
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On 25 Jun 2009 21:37:50 GMT, John Stumbles
Post by John Stumbles
You may like to check out (perhaps with the aid of google groups) a thread
on uk.d-i-y a few weeks back (started by yours truly when I'd just got my
first pair of varifocals and was having difficulty using them with the
computer).
Very interesting - thanks! It's at least a bit reassuring to find
that my problems aren't unique.
Post by John Stumbles
Of course you may not be able to read this discussion with your
varifocals ;-)
How true!
Post by John Stumbles
As I recall quite a few correspondents had got themselves separate pairs
of fixed-focal-length glasses specifically for computer use, whilst being
happy with their varifocals for other uses.
Personally, some weeks down the line, I'm fairly happy with mine. They're
not perfect but better than the off-the-shelf reading glasses I'd had
before.
It's possible that I've just not been using my new spectacles right.
(I'm now had them on continuously for 11 days, but I'm still having
a lot of trouble reading books or the computer screen.) This post by
Dave Liquorice, in that thread, may be putting me on the right track:

``The alignment is fairly critical so that you are looking through
the right part of the lens for the right focus distance. Relaxed
straight ahead through the middle of the lens should be "distance",
you then just look down (not move the head) to use the lower part
of the lens for "close".''

This posture feels a little unnatural when using the computer (and I
imagine also when reading a book), but I'll give it a try for a while.

I haven't been back to the optician yet (nor have I made an appoint-
ment with my GP), and I'm still vaguely hoping that the problem will
eventually go away.
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Angus Rodgers
Trev
2009-07-13 22:12:18 UTC
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Read, mark and inwardly digest.....

I had a cracker of a shit last night. I woke up feeling as if a
thing with the same dimensions as an artic truck was pressing
down very hard on my rectal sphincters. It felt as though my
arse was about to explode. I managed to get my butt over the
lavy pan just in time. I thought my rectum was going to be torn to
shreds. The shit had the girth and shape of a very very large
elongated egg plant. The tail came right up to the rim. As it pulled
away from the back of my throat, my eyes were drawn into the back
of my head, and my ears popped! I thought my whole insides were
about to drop into the pan! It took ages to flush away. Mind you I
slept like a log after it.

Comments welcome.
Angus Rodgers
2009-07-14 19:06:44 UTC
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On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:12:18 +0100, Trev (some random troll)
Post by Trev
I woke up feeling as if a
thing with the same dimensions as an artic truck was pressing
down very hard on my rectal sphincters. It felt as though my
arse was about to explode.
(My five-year-old pet guinea pig has the same problem. Maybe
you should see a vet? Or eat more carrots and hay?)

The saga of the spectacles may be approaching a happy ending.

Today I picked up a second pair of spectacles, with a larger
close-up focus area, which I'm to start using from tomorrow.
(They're letting me keep the first pair as well, and they'll
be fine as a backup pair.)

This is from Paine and Hunter, who have a branch in my area.
They seem to be willing to go to quite a lot of trouble to get
things right. If it does all end happily, I think I'll be
sticking with them in future.

The reason I went back for a second visit after three weeks
was that I woke up with the same pain in the neck that I'd
previously only been getting from craning to focus on the
computer screen. I couldn't let this become permanent, so
I finally had to do something, even though in other respects
the spectacles were near-perfect, and I'd adapted to them OK.
(I think it took about two weeks for me to become comfortable
with them. However, the problem with protracted periods of
close-up work persisted. Short periods of reading or using
the computer are OK.)
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Angus Rodgers
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