Discussion:
Beware anti social electronic gear.
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Brian Gaff
2009-04-27 09:30:20 UTC
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The recently introduced devices which send video and data over the mains
system in a house, as supplied by BT and others is causing significant
interference from long wave through medium wave and short wave bands far in
excess of the law governing such emissions and ruining reception for a
significant number of people.
For more info and how to join the protest about companies causing rF
pollution in this way, search for
ukqrm
in Google.

On a similar note, some other interference generators are now coming into
the firing line. plug in air fresheners, so called electronic water
softeners, badly designed laptop and other power supplies and chargers, and
Plasma TVsto name but a sample. All if badly designed can cause pulse or
general hash on legitimate reception bands and really should never have got
to the public. Sadly there are so many companies now making these things,
notably in China and other cheaper labour countries, that the onus is on the
consumer to complain to offcomabout such problems, its free to complain, but
if you have bought one of these devices, its probably better to return it
and get your money back. Companies will only change their cavalier attitude
to RF pollution if they get hit in the pocket or the bottom line.

Brian
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cupra
2009-04-27 10:10:04 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
The recently introduced devices which send video and data over the mains
system in a house, as supplied by BT and others is causing significant
interference from long wave through medium wave and short wave bands far
in excess of the law governing such emissions and ruining reception for a
significant number of people.
For more info and how to join the protest about companies causing rF
pollution in this way, search for
ukqrm
in Google.
On a similar note, some other interference generators are now coming into
the firing line. plug in air fresheners, so called electronic water
softeners, badly designed laptop and other power supplies and chargers,
and Plasma TVsto name but a sample. All if badly designed can cause pulse
or general hash on legitimate reception bands and really should never have
got to the public. Sadly there are so many companies now making these
things, notably in China and other cheaper labour countries, that the onus
is on the consumer to complain to offcomabout such problems, its free to
complain, but if you have bought one of these devices, its probably better
to return it and get your money back. Companies will only change their
cavalier attitude to RF pollution if they get hit in the pocket or the
bottom line.
If it's CE marked then it MUST comply with residential emission/immunity
regs. You need to make sure that the equipment you have is marked to CE too
for immunity.
Brian Gaff
2009-04-28 07:08:42 UTC
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No you are wrong. I'm not talking about accidental reception, I'm talking
about the devices actually contravening the emission regs and if they do
have the right ce mark then I can only deduse that the specs are too lenient
or the current production is not the same as the original sample.

Brian
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Post by cupra
Post by Brian Gaff
The recently introduced devices which send video and data over the mains
system in a house, as supplied by BT and others is causing significant
interference from long wave through medium wave and short wave bands far
in excess of the law governing such emissions and ruining reception for a
significant number of people.
For more info and how to join the protest about companies causing rF
pollution in this way, search for
ukqrm
in Google.
On a similar note, some other interference generators are now coming
into the firing line. plug in air fresheners, so called electronic water
softeners, badly designed laptop and other power supplies and chargers,
and Plasma TVsto name but a sample. All if badly designed can cause pulse
or general hash on legitimate reception bands and really should never
have got to the public. Sadly there are so many companies now making
these things, notably in China and other cheaper labour countries, that
the onus is on the consumer to complain to offcomabout such problems, its
free to complain, but if you have bought one of these devices, its
probably better to return it and get your money back. Companies will only
change their cavalier attitude to RF pollution if they get hit in the
pocket or the bottom line.
If it's CE marked then it MUST comply with residential emission/immunity
regs. You need to make sure that the equipment you have is marked to CE
too for immunity.
Clive
2009-04-28 20:17:37 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
No you are wrong. I'm not talking about accidental reception, I'm talking
about the devices actually contravening the emission regs and if they do
have the right ce mark then I can only deduse that the specs are too
lenient or the current production is not the same as the original sample.
Brian
--
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in the display name may be lost.
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Post by cupra
Post by Brian Gaff
The recently introduced devices which send video and data over the mains
system in a house, as supplied by BT and others is causing significant
interference from long wave through medium wave and short wave bands far
in excess of the law governing such emissions and ruining reception for
a significant number of people.
For more info and how to join the protest about companies causing rF
pollution in this way, search for
ukqrm
in Google.
On a similar note, some other interference generators are now coming
into the firing line. plug in air fresheners, so called electronic
water softeners, badly designed laptop and other power supplies and
chargers, and Plasma TVsto name but a sample. All if badly designed can
cause pulse or general hash on legitimate reception bands and really
should never have got to the public. Sadly there are so many companies
now making these things, notably in China and other cheaper labour
countries, that the onus is on the consumer to complain to offcomabout
such problems, its free to complain, but if you have bought one of these
devices, its probably better to return it and get your money back.
Companies will only change their cavalier attitude to RF pollution if
they get hit in the pocket or the bottom line.
If it's CE marked then it MUST comply with residential emission/immunity
regs. You need to make sure that the equipment you have is marked to CE
too for immunity.
If OFCOM greed with you they would ban the import and also sale in the UK
by UK companies. For some reason they will not ban such devices even though
selling and using them breaks various W&T Acts.
cupra
2009-05-01 13:02:15 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
Post by cupra
If it's CE marked then it MUST comply with residential emission/immunity
regs. You need to make sure that the equipment you have is marked to CE
too for immunity.
No you are wrong. I'm not talking about accidental reception, I'm talking
about the devices actually contravening the emission regs and if they do
have the right ce mark then I can only deduse that the specs are too
lenient or the current production is not the same as the original sample.
Brian
Erm... where am I wrong?

If you suspect that regs are being contravened then your duty is to report
it to trading standards, rather than simply return the goods.
Clive
2009-04-28 20:16:04 UTC
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Post by Brian Gaff
The recently introduced devices which send video and data over the mains
system in a house, as supplied by BT and others is causing significant
interference from long wave through medium wave and short wave bands far
in excess of the law governing such emissions and ruining reception for a
significant number of people.
For more info and how to join the protest about companies causing rF
pollution in this way, search for
ukqrm
in Google.
On a similar note, some other interference generators are now coming into
the firing line. plug in air fresheners, so called electronic water
softeners, badly designed laptop and other power supplies and chargers,
and Plasma TVsto name but a sample. All if badly designed can cause pulse
or general hash on legitimate reception bands and really should never have
got to the public. Sadly there are so many companies now making these
things, notably in China and other cheaper labour countries, that the onus
is on the consumer to complain to offcomabout such problems, its free to
complain, but if you have bought one of these devices, its probably better
to return it and get your money back. Companies will only change their
cavalier attitude to RF pollution if they get hit in the pocket or the
bottom line.
Brian
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Report it to OFCOM. They will never change the Law but have given in to
manufacturers selling the illegal devices.
No one will stop buying them as they are good and of some use.
No one will ever return the devices either.
Consumer
2009-04-30 04:27:01 UTC
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Post by Clive
Report it to OFCOM. They will never change the Law but have given in to
manufacturers selling the illegal devices.
No one will stop buying them as they are good and of some use.
No one will ever return the devices either.
There's no harm trying to report it to OFCOM but when I tried it over
another telecoms matter their response was that they do not investigate
individual complaints but they may investigate if a lot of people complain.
Only Parliament can change the law.
cupra
2009-05-01 13:03:53 UTC
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Post by Consumer
Post by Clive
Report it to OFCOM. They will never change the Law but have given in to
manufacturers selling the illegal devices.
No one will stop buying them as they are good and of some use.
No one will ever return the devices either.
There's no harm trying to report it to OFCOM but when I tried it over
another telecoms matter their response was that they do not investigate
individual complaints but they may investigate if a lot of people
complain. Only Parliament can change the law.
As it's a CE marking affair, it's better to report to trading standards who
can check the validity. Mind you, don't know how much your average TS office
would know about EMC...

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